Dear Bruno,
Sri Aurobindo (1872-1950) wrote a century back and his book The Life Divine draws from diverse sources, both Indian and Western. He conceives existence as a cyclic process of 1) Involution of highest consciousness as matter and then its 2) Evolution from matter to life and then mind etc. He postulates that Supermind is the next rung in this ladder of consciousness. He avoids prescribing any set method but advises that higher states of consciousness can be accessed by a volitional process of self-exceeding.
Thus, when you say about incompleteness of machines, it perhaps can be construed that it is part of the Evolutionary transition, as everything else. But my basic point is, if it is the question of consciousness, then why bring in numbers or machines instead of, say, poetry, which Sri Aurobindo himself preferred. This is not in any way to belittle your professional field of work, competence, or preference.
Wishing you all the best,
Tusar
June 6, 2017
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Now, if I were to follow this line of thinking to its natural conclusion (that is, evaluating the impact on our science of each assumption embedded within that science), I might arrive at the conclusion that one of the deepest hidden assumptions is that of 'number'. That is, any physics 'worth its salt' is quantitative, predictive, etc. And, even if I come to recognize the importance of discreteness from, say quantum theory, or that it is possible to distill from an event-based phenomenology a chronology of observations that reproduces most of modern physics without assuming continuity of spacetime, I will still rely on the existence of integers, of 'number'. (I say 'most' only because the program I am referring to has not yet been carried through with General Relativity, nor with any purported unified theory of gravitation and quantum theory.) And in 'number' I see one of the most, if the not the most fundamental prejudice of subjective experience--that "I am separate from what I observe". I say it is a prejudice because this implicit claim or sense can be suspended during the act of observing. If it is suspended, then number does not arise, either. Nor do space and time.
I am not sure how to address the question of ontology... Maybe we are not on the right track with these things if we cannot understand them with sense-based knowing. Or maybe they point to the need for us to expand what we accept to be real, and expand what we accept as valid ways of knowing. Basing acceptable science completely on sense perception and, in particular, on visual sense may be another deeply hidden assumption that bears further scrutiny.
Best wishes,
Siegfried
Siegfried Bleher
June 6, 2017
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Hi Bruno
The concept of countable numbers (arithmetic) comes into existence like everything else in the world. There must be a source of arithmetic that is not itself reducible to arithmetic. That's how I've come to understand the significance of the Godel incompleteness theorems. The logical consistency of arithmetic can only arise from the source, not from arithmetic itself. I'd call the source of arithmetic the undifferentiated consciousness of the void. So how does this happen in practical (mechanistic) terms? When dark energy (the accelerated expansion of space that only expands relative to the central point of view of an observer) is expended and the world is created (along the lines of the big bang event), a cosmic horizon arises (due to the limitation of the speed of light) that surrounds the observer and limits the observer's observations of things in space. If non-commutative geometry is applied to the horizon, bits of information are encoded in a binary code of 1's and 0's (essentially the n eigenvalues of an SU(n) matrix, where n is specified in terms of the surface area A of the horizon as n=A/4(Planck area), which is the holographic principle). This is how arithmetic arises, essentially through a process of the quantization of the horizon into pixels about the size of a Planck area, where each pixel encodes a bit of information.
This creation of arithmetic cannot happen unless dark energy is expended, since that is how the observer's horizon arises. In the lingo, the horizon is observer-dependent. I'd call the expenditure of dark energy and the application of non-commutative geometry to the observer's horizon geometric mechanisms. Where do these geometric mechanisms come from? They somehow arise from the vacuum state, which we call the void. But it doesn't stop there. The focal point of consciousness of the observer at the central point of view of the horizon also has to arise from the void. That's why I'd say the void is undifferentiated consciousness, with the potential to both express dark energy (create a world) and differentiate itself into the perceiving consciousness of the observer that perceives that world. In some sense, this is an intentional creation.
An interesting point is what exactly does the undifferentiated consciousness of the void mean?
The undifferentiated consciousness of the void doesn't mean anything. As Jed McKenna likes to say "It Is". Neuroscience tells us all meaning is established in an energetic (emotional) context. The undifferentiated consciousness of the void is what exists before any energy is expended, before the world is created, and before any meaning is given to anything in the world. It is the primordial, timeless nature of existence. It is the ultimate nature of existence that creates the world through the expenditure of energy. It exists before energy is expended, before the course of time begins to flow, and before anything is created. Meaning can only be given to things in that world as energy is expended and that world is created and perceived. It is the source of all the creative energy and perceiving consciousness that allows a world to be created and perceived.
The holographic principle tells us that everything in that world is composed of bits of information encoded on a holographic screen (horizon), while the observer of that world is only a focal point of consciousness present at the central point of view (singularity) of that world. All the images of that world are projected from the screen to the observer and are animated over a sequence of screen outputs that occur in the flow of energy. The undifferentiated consciousness of the void is what exists before energy is expended and the screen and the observer come into existence.
There's nothing magical, mystical or supernatural about the undifferentiated consciousness of the void. It's natural but not personal. It's the true nature of what you are, which isn't a person. The person is just the central character in the projected and animated world you're perceiving. Everything is perceivable. The true nature of what you are isn't. It is the Source.
Jim
Jim Kowall
June 6, 2017
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