Dear Ram and Vinod,
I am reading your debate about Samadhi. I know TM has been scientifically studied and verified. Is there any scientific study (medical, neurological etc. with instruments) of a Yogi who goes in and out of Samadhi? My frustration is that every time I ask someone, he says you cannot describe it! You have to experience it by yourself! Then it is difficult to do science in this area. Descriptions in books have limited validity. Science would not have progressed if people had to just read books by scientists and believe them. Real scientific advance takes place when any one can reproduce the results described in books!
Best Regards.
Kashyap
Hi Kashyap,
I agree with you. We cannot take others' experiences for granted because NS state experiences are ineffable. Therefore, we have to attain SS/NS states to experience without any subjective biases (brain-wash by heavy training under a guru who usually follows Advaita/idealism or SAnkhya/dualism) with deep understanding of all 4 groups of metaphysics (including dual-aspect monism and materialism). Perhaps, mantra or breathing based techniques are free from biases. Then do research; we should then be subjects in fMRI/EEG experiments. So, let us starts meditation seriously.
Kind regards,
Rām
Rām Lakhan Pāndey Vimal, Ph.D.
Amarāvati-Hīrāmaṇi Professor (Research), Vision Research Institute, Physics, Neuroscience, & Consciousness Research Dept. 25 Rita Street, Lowell, MA 01854 USA
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Dear Syamala,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and paper on parallels between Sankhya and de Broglie waves. I have read your paper and agree the parallels are intriguing and suggestive. Three questions such parallels raises for me are
1) does the fact that subtle (and causal) bodies can be experienced contingent on state of consciousness (samadhi here representing a whole set of distinct states of consciousness—perhaps collectively referred to as the fourth or ‘turiya’ state) imply that something mathematical and not observable like de Broglie waves, may yet be observable contingent on state of consciousness;
2) can we say that mathematical conceptualization constitutes a sort of ‘observability’, a somewhat larger class than observability through the senses;
3) is there a kind of ‘Born rule’ for subjective states of consciousness that links subtle states with gross states of consciousness parallel to the actual Born rule that links the unobservable wave function to observable matter?
Best wishes,
Siegfried
Dear Siegfried,
Thank you for carefully reading my paper and the questions.
Your question 1) does the fact that subtle (and causal) bodies can be experienced contingent on state of consciousness (samadhi here representing a whole set of distinct states of consciousness—perhaps collectively referred to as the fourth or ‘turiya’ state) imply that something mathematical and not observable like de Broglie waves, may yet be observable contingent on state of consciousness?
Answer: The subtle and causal bodies are nothing but the totality of our conscious and unconscious thoughts, emotions, memories, desires, etc. The word 'body' indicates they all belong to one individual. Causal body is the subconscious or unconscious mental content and subtler than the subtle body. [...]
Regarding question 3): The above neuroscientific fact says that a link exists between the the subjective RI contained in a conscious experience with the objective neural correlate; the latter can be observed by means of physical devices, and agreed upon by a team of neuroscientists. As explained in the above paper in neuroquantology, they are both created by mind-brain interaction which collapses the quantum brain and that is when awareness of the percept/RI (figure 2 in my jcer paper) of an external or internal object occurs. Note that the brain'owner is never aware of the neural correlate but only aware of its 'meaning'/RI. I have not thought about any Born-like rule yet.
Best Wishes
Syamala
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As per my reply to Paul Werbos, I do not accept relativity’s conflation of time as a dimension of space-time. I just don’t. This assumption is as integral to my line of thinking as is the invariance of the laws of the universe with respect to the Lorentz transformations.
Given your confidence in the established evidence, what’s your take on some of the refutations of relativity theory that occasionally crop up? For example,
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Alex,
I'd love to know more about what you've shown for mechanisms behind complementary medicine.
The question I was awkwardly raising was about progress in theories of consciousness in positing explanations for the "highest" forms of goal-oriented action: specifically where the goals are emergent in the course of the action, rather than clearly representable at the onset of it.
I'll be surprised, but not shocked, if someone comes up with a computational device, neural-network based or whatever, that can produce images an expert can't tell from Picasso or Rembrant. By contrast, I'll be totally shocked if anyone ever comes up with a computational device that produces a new, coherent body of art as different from anything before it as Picasso's later work was from Rembrant.
My bet is that human consciousness is far more like Picasso than like an adding machine, on the whole. So when there's discussion of computers and consciousness, I'm curious what sort of theoretical bridge could lead to computers that are oriented to the "highest" goals, the truly creative ones.
Personally, I'll be happy if we turn out to be in a universe where conscious computers are just impossible. Yet with so many bright people claiming otherwise, I'm curious what the theory would look like that could lead to a Picasso-level computational system, capable not just of derivative art, but of producing truly new, commanding work, or inventing a field of science that hadn't existed before.
Best,
Whit
July 9, 2017
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http://fctworld.org/2016%20Summer.htm
ABSTRACT
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