June 27, 2017

Sri Aurobindo is the most cerebral of all the twentieth century enlightened visionaries

Dear Vinod, Colin and Tusar,

Thanks for encouragement to the idea that fundamental particles may have qualia at some rudimentary level. May be I went too far in the other direction in saying that it is “wild conjecture”. Thanks Tusar for pointing out “theoretical sanction” of Sri Aurobindo to such ideas. Hopefully science will be able to incorporate such ideas in not too distant future.

Best Regards.

Kashyap
June 26, 2017
Vasavada, Kashyap V
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Dear Joseph,

I'm not aware of your background. You can check the following links to get a sense of what Sri Aurobindo has in mind:



Then we can discuss the current concerns in a more fruitful manner. Thanks,

Tusar (b.1955)
June 25, 2017
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Purushottama Bilimoria, ‎Joseph Prabhu, ‎Renuka Sharma - 2017 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions
These natures, we learn in The Life Divine, the metaphysical treatise, are not predetermined: souls make themselves in part, says Aurobindo, echoing both romantics ... That each of us is in the process of developing spirituality, expressing Brahman uniquely, is a truth that overrides the generalized statements of the moralist.

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In the words of Sri Aurobindo Ghose: [The Mahabharata is] not only the story of the Bharatas, the epic of an early event which had become a national tradition, but on a vast scale the epic of the soul and religious and ... Determining when the Mahabharata was created is also a tricky The Bhagavad Gita and the Mahabharata.

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... groups to support the participants in a continual integration of the material covered. Arlette, one of the participants, had convinced herself, based on her reading of Sri Aurobindo's works that ... The mind is a tricky thing. It becomes even more slippery when we venture into spiritual pursuits. Fortunately, I don't think anyone  ...

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Interpreting one's own experience, let alone the experience of others, is a very tricky business. Indeed, one cannot begin to judge another ... The higher levels of these systems cannot be experienced or deduced rationally, and nobody from Plotinus to Aurobindo thinks they can. However, after the fact of direct and repeated ...

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Tal Brooke - 1990 - ‎Snippet view - ‎More editions
Aurobindo, the most cerebral of all the twentieth century "enlightened" visionaries had written thousands of pages of complex metaphysics and poetry before he ... Upon this tricky subject, the Carrolls would hold fast, stating only in the words of Martin Luther, that Scripture alone was all-sufficient as God's revelation to man in  ...

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Nalini Bhushan, ‎Jay L. Garfield - 2011 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions
Secondly, whether the law of contradiction can have a valid application to questions of total reality, which by its essential nature and concept involves inclusion and affirmation of all facts rather than exclusion and rejection of any, which is the necessary method of this logical principle. Sri Aurobindo argues that “A law founded ...

It involves a rejection or unconscious exclusion of unwanted insights in the sphere of moral value. Such a rejection may also be a result of psychic wounds as we shall see. To begin with, the different patterns of experience can be briefly summarized: a) the biological patterns: extroversion is the basic characteristic of this ...

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Thus in formal negation, the laws of Contradiction and Excluded Middle operate in an a priori and unconditional way. Such a formal negation cannot be treated as significant. If a negative judgment is taken in the sense of bare exclusion, it cannot be considered as significant, because it would, according to Bosanquet . apply ...

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Sri Aurobindo is aware of the United Nations; hear his ultimate conviction, which is the doing-away of the masterslave dialectic: “All subjection or forced inequality ... In that chapter Sen enthusiastically discusses the importance of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of 1948; it overrides the promises of the American ...

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Gillian B. Pierce - 2013 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions
... successful lives? The political sublime proposes that we seek unification in the community for the sake of political justice, which then overrides what Rawls calls “comprehensive doctrines,” alluding to ... Spirituality, or what Aurobindo calls “purified sense of emotion,” is therefore a necessary complement to reason alone.

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UNESCO's overriding priority in education is, "to support young children, their families and communities in all the areas where the child is growing-physically, ... Sri Aurobindo's approach to "integral *Presented in the I International Conference of OSLE-India (Organisation for Studies in Literature and Environment-India) ...

B. Schildgen, ‎Z. Gang, ‎S. Gilman - 2006 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions
of Aurobindo, is “the objective modernity of nations to the historian's eyes”, but “the subjective antiquity in the eyes of nationalists. ... cultural and political developments together to serve the overriding purposes of awaking Indians to their “denationalized mental attitude,” the direct result of the “superimposed European culture.

John Hick, ‎Michael Stoeber - 1992 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions
45. personal identity in the conception, problems which soul-making rebirth overrides. Sri Aurobindo, The Problem of Rebirth, from Sri Aurobindo Birth Centenary Library (Pondicherry, India: Sri Aurobindo Ashram Trust, 1971) Vol. 16, p. 87. Ibid., p. 118. Ibid. Ibid., p. 153. Ibid., p. 121. Sri Aurobindo, Letters on Yoga, in Birth  ...

June 26, 2017

Hegel and James, Husserl and Bohr

(Part I)

Phenomenology and Complementarity: Two Inseparable Movements

Although phenomenology is commonly thought to have begun with Edmund Husserl (1859-1938), and complementarity with Niels Bohr (1885-1962), one can trace back their mutual origin in the young Hegel (1770-1831) of the Phenomenology of Spirit, whose perspicuous concern of experience, i.e. ‘sense-certainty’ and whose discovery of non-Aristotelian logic operative therein, i.e. ‘dialectic’, inaugurated the two basic themes of phenomenology and complementarity, respectively.  Similarly, an in-depth investigation into the work of William James (1842-1910), who was of pivotal influence to both Husserl and Bohr, and who has been identified as both a “proto-phenomenologist” (James Edie) and the first thinker to discover complementarity (W. Stephenson) would undoubtedly reveal a provocative example of the natal pact between these two movements. Yet despite the fact that Hegel and James play important roles in the mutual development of complementarity and phenomenology, for the purpose of this exposition, we shall do no more than roughly sketch out the convergence of the two philosophical movements in the philosophies of Edmund Husserl and Niels Bohr, who are their explicit founders. 
October 4th 2016 at 2:45 pm Written By: Sayer Ji, Founder
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Lisa, Jonathan, Whit

Lisa wrote: "What if "big G" God created all timelines and possibilities when this Multiverse was birthed into existence, and we are "little g" creators that surf these possibilities depending on where we are putting our mental focus"

For Leibniz, if I remember correctly, matter is made of atoms, monads are not material. And, each monad is independent of all the other monads, with no actual interaction. Atoms and monads are also separate. It is no surprise that Leibniz's thinking about the nature of the world was deeply influenced by political, social, and most critically, religious divisions, between the Protestants and Catholics. So, you we read, "They had to free because the Bible said so." A division, which I am thinking he attempted to reconcile. But, divineness of things still infected his thinking. Understandable, we are all influenced by the culture and society we are embedded in. So, I think the hard logic just softened a bit to mold with the times.

It was not possible for him to conceive of the idea that man and God are one (Spinoza's one Nature), but men  (and women of course) are also many and diverse. Little g is big G wanting to manifest Himself/Herself/Itself physically. Hence, when I say I have no free will because God made me the way I am, you have to do a double take, and recognize, now wait, I am God, a little piece of God stuff. I am doing what I want to do, but, I am God. So, I actually do have free will, just not directly aware of it.  I am God, camouflaged. Not how Spinoza saw things I'm guessing. (Not a whit how the Mormons do either, I think.) But, to each his own.

"However, as Russell complained, in Leibniz's schema each soul can only ever have one choice, to be that soul at creation; if Socrates, to have decided from the outset to take the hemlock. Multiple choices would mean multiple souls."

Again, Leibniz's thinking id defined and limited by the context he lived in. Sure, all possible worlds, but he only believed in the one actual best possible world existing. Socrates could think he would take the Hemlock, but to actually take the hemlock would be something else. It could be that in our possible world, Socrates never took the hemlock, but that he actually escaped with the help of his friends, and Asclepius via the rooster. You know, just like everyone in this world believes it was Christ who was crucified, when it was really someone who thought he was Christ, the original Messiah Complex.

"The only way I can make sense of individual telicity is to say that each soul, or quantised action is god's choice. "

So, even you are constrained to believe a certain way. Why can't it be both.

"The purpose is the god's purpose, which we are working out."

I think that is exactly right. We are God, experiencing.

"This might sound like getting into abstruse theology, but it is actually hard logic and, if that ends up theology, so be it."

Logically laid out, for God to experience, it was necessary that He/She/It divide Himself/Herself/itself. The one thing that God knew is that there was nothing else. And so It could, and would, never know Itself from a reference point outside of Itself. Such a point did not exist. Only one reference point existed, and that was the single place within. It reasoned that any portion of Itself would necessarily have to be less than the whole, and that if It thus simply divided Itself into portions, each portion, being less than the whole, could look back on the rest of Itself. And so, God divided Itself—becoming, in one moment, that which is this, and that which is that. For the first time, this and that existed, quite apart from each other. And still, both existed simultaneously. As did all that was neither. Thus, three elements suddenly existed: that which is here. That which is there. And that which is neither here nor there—but which must exist for here and there to exist.

Now that's Theology.

Joseph
June 26, 2017
Joseph McCard
"Sadhu-Sanga Under the holy association of Spd. B.M. Puri Maharaja, Ph.D." To view this discussion on the web visit
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Dear Joseph,

Study of consciousness should be segregated into at least three different sectors:

1. One's professional life involves a set of skills and values. Those have a bearing on one's conception of consciousness. Those engaged in science are the most affected.

2. As social beings, a practical level of understanding of consciousness is assumed. It needn't interfere with 1. and 3.

3. At the purely personal level, the responsibility of finding what is true is paramount and should be pursued disregarding 1. and 2. Many feel they can search for the truth on their own but tell things that are imperfectly plagiarised versions of earlier propositions.

A main problem in this Forum is people generally conflate the three whereas distinct routes can lead to more honest discoveries.

Thanks,
Tusar (b.1955)
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