December 20, 2017

There is no evidence for any ontology

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On 19 Dec 2017, at 16:19, 'Syamala Hari' via Sadhu-Sanga Under the holy association of Spd. B.M. Puri Maharaja, Ph.D. wrote:

High Whit,
Well, one can use the word 'meaning' with the meaning you suggested also. I did not mean it the way you suggested. While working with computers/robots, we frequently use the phrases: "It knows", "it understands", etc.  There is a difference between a human being's knowing and understanding and a robot's "knowing" and "understanding" is it not?  In fact, if you tell your dog to fetch a ball, the dog understands what you said and fetches the ball. The robot will also do the same and you may say the robot "understands" your instruction but its "understanding" is certainly different from a human being's or even the dog's "understanding" of your instruction. 

How do you know that?

I think you can say that if the robot is an automata. In that case, it is controlable, always defined, etc. But that intuition can be shown not available for a computer or any universal machine (in arithmetic). After Turing)Gödel's work, we know that we know about nothing on what the universal machine are capable and not capable.

On the contrary, we know that such machine have a rich theology, and that such a theology contains, in its sharable probable parts,  the whole of(public) physics, making that theory testable. And the test done up to now, confirms Mechanism (and thus suggests that weak materialism, physicalism, etc. are wrong).

In the case of the robot, the "turn right" instruction is a material process: giving it energy or momentum to initiate action followed by action according to instructions already coded into its hardware. Turnig right or fetching the ball   is a completely material process in which the robot ha no conscious experience of anything. The content of a conscious experience or what a conscious being is aware of in an experience is what I called meaning in my post. We have different experiences.  Seeing an apple and eating it.  What we aware of in the two experiences is what I call the meanings of those actions, the actions themselves being material processes. This meaning is NOT matter or the material process which exist in both the human being (or dog) and in the robot.

Locally. But eventually, "matter" is only a meaningfull idea in the mind of the machine or the numbers. the solution of the mind-body problem already provided by the machine in arithmetic, is that "matter" does not exist, like in Plotinus and other rational mystic. 

More simply, the meaning of a word is not the same as the word, or the sound we make when uttering the word because the same meaning can be conveyed by different words in different languages. 

OK. Like a mind can be conveyed by different bodies or different representations in arithmetic.

Pribram found an accurate description in terms of Gabor functions, of  the brain's material/physical memory which stores our experiences.  Then he says that the Gabor function describes both the brain's physical memory and the psychological content also.  What I say is that the gabor function is like a comuter's  bit or qubit and different from the concept (psychological) concept. So his theory still does not solve the hard problem.

Even without mechanism, I think it is better when we do science, especially in metaphysics, to not invoke metaphysical notion, like primairy matter,  in an explanation. 

Many people confuse the evidence for a physical reality with evidence for physicalism or weak-materialism (the belief in primitive matter), but as the antic dream argument already has refuted, there is no evidence for any ontology (except personal consciousness), and with mechanism, it becomes invalid to assume anything more than numbers or similar inductive structures and laws.

Mechanism solves the hard problem of consciousness, in the sense that it explains why any universal machine introspecting itself get aware of something non-doubtable, true, and not justifiable rationally, concerning them. The machine already knows that they have a soul, and that the soul is not a machine. The hard problem is reduced in explaining physics from machine self-reference. They have a theology which includes physics, and so is testable, and it works until now.




[Spontaneous (self-induced)motion in the universe is an objective physical evidence of universal consciousness. A dead or unconscious universe would have no motion or change (time). Physics of consciousness is governed by the physical laws at cosmic scale]

Philosophy now comes to us in one form: the peer-reviewed article, published (preferably in English) in an academic journal. No wonder philosophy has become so irrelevant

Heidegger's Fourfold is well-known, but a more foundational ontological breakthrough has been achieved by Sri Aurobindo through his delineation of fourfold Vedic deities addressed as Varuna, Aryaman, Mitra, and Bhaga as principal powers and cosmic players.

Perhaps, quite the contrary, Sir? Hegel didn't understand India, falsifying our social reality with secondary, even tertiary, textual knowledge? It's that narrative that needs to be challenged with better self-understanding backed by better histories.

[comparison with Hegel can throw new light on understanding social and economic inequalities in India/intellectuals and activists challenging entrenched casteism and the upsurge of Hindu fundamentalism in India will be eternally grateful for Hegel’s India]

[Pribram shares interactions he has had with luminaries including David Bohm, Francis Crick, John Eccles, Dennis Gabor, Hubel and Wiesel, Wolfgang Kohler, Karl Lashley, Aleksandr Romanovitch Luria, Ilya Prigogine, B. F. Skinner, Eugene Sokolov, and others]

History of ideas, be it Hegel or Bergson, shows a struggle or speculative uncertainty while The Mother & Sri Aurobindo have the advantage of safely relating to the Veda and Upanishads besides Lurianic Kabbalah (Esoterica-Magick-7, 1996 by M. Alan Kazlev).

[The author has very ably succeeded in propounding that the two traditions have achieved a new height and dimensions in the philosophies of Sri Aurobindo and Hegel]
Absolutism East West Comparative Study Sri Aurobindo Hegel - Vijai Kant Dubey via @amazonIN

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Why and how Puruṣa can experience but not Prakṛti?

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From what I understand, he doesn't even think he has done any real or original philosophy at this point and hates most of his own work.
Feel Philosophy: [So there could be a little bit of mental aspect (most likely hidden to us) in the fundamental particles.]

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Vimal: As per Wikipedia (as of 13 Dec. 2017 with minor modification), “The Universe is all of space and time (spacetime) and its contents,[12] which includes planets, moons, stars, galaxies, the contents of intergalactic space and all matter and energy.[13][14] While the size of the entire Universe is still unknown,[6] it is possible to measure the observable universe. Halpern and Tomasello calculated the observable universe using data from European Space Agency's Planck satellite, estimating it to be 90.68 billion light-years across, 0.7% smaller than previously thought.[15]  […] The Universe can be defined as everything that exists, everything that has existed, and everything that will exist.[22][23][24] According to our current understanding, the Universe consists of spacetime, forms of energy (including electromagnetic radiation and matter), and the physical lawsthat relate them. The Universe encompasses all of life, all of history, and some philosophers and scientists suggest that it even encompasses ideas such as mathematics and logic.[25][26][27]”

The eDAM’s definition of universe is the same as science defines plus subtle and subtlest UF levels. The UF is within our universe, there is nothing beyond it.   

Vimal: … In addition, in the eDAM, ‘Consciousness’ is the Universal Potential Consciousness (UPC) that is the 1pp-mental aspect of the unmanifested state of the information in the Unified field (UF) and its inseparable physical aspect is Physical Unified Field (PUF).

Vimal: The aspects of the unmanifested state of information in the UF are latent, so God (manifested consciousness) is not necessary. It is the manifestation processes such as condensation process and the relevant laws are necessary, which are inherently embedded in UF by definition.  It should be noted that the eDAM follows scientific bottom-up approach and UF is proposed in the same sense. Materialists, such as Poznanski, reject idealism based top-down approach on the name of Voodoo-ism. Therefore, to avoid such type critique, the proposal of self-referral and self-awareness attributes of the UF still need further justifications and why they would be mandatory.

Vimal: What is the structure inside the Puruṣa of Sāṅkhya and why and how He can experience (but not Prakṛti) and what is the precise mechanism? Are they not assumptions? In the eDAM, the ontology of UF, UPC, and PUF is the ontology of information in the UPC and PUF of UF. Information is the same in both UPC and PUF. What is information inside UF? I guess, all enormous processes and all possible laws. This information must be the same for both UPC and PUF; it is just looking from which perspective we like to view it; for the 1pp we can assume what we might experience. Since we are not UPC so there is no way to understand what the experiences UPC really might have. However, we can imagine by extrapolating. However, do not forget that UPC is related to the unmanifested state, so both UPC and PUF are latent for us. The source of information is UF, which is the same for both UPC and PUF.

Vimal: The initial source of all information is UF. You do not seem to understand the meanings of the “latent”, “information in both aspects” “perspective of viewing” and so on because you raise illogical queries. The definition of universe is given above, which is levels 1-3 (gross, subtle, and subtlest). There is nothing outside of the eDAM’s Universe. Since you and your core are from Sāṅkhya, you see physical and mental aspects separable and you think they have different ontology. No, in the eDAM, the ontology of both aspects is the same as the ontology of related information.

Vimal: Yes, it is mandatory to provide scientific two-way designed experiments (both positive and negative should be necessary, esp. if you want NIH grant) in theoretical modeling to have any value. If negative results are obtained, then the framework will be rejected. The positive results need further testing. Science can only reject hypotheses, it cannot prove them. We both are theorists and we must provide such designed experiment; you may like to look at Section 3.2 of (Vimal, 2015b) and let me know if you suggest how to improve it with some justifications. Vinod ji claims that it only shows correlation, not inseparability but does not provide any justification and how to improve it. I think that it provides 1-1 correlation which is close to inseparability but I am looking for a design that can clearly show the inseparability and reject the separability of Vinod’s framework (non-interactive dualism, SAnkhya). Once aspects are separable, then mind can exist without brain, such as ghosts; hope you never encountered ghosts in your life, but many people claim they have; watch “fear files” 1 or 2 episodes, just to have a feeling; they are available in YouTube or Google.

Kind regards,
Rām Lakhan Pāndey Vimal, Ph.D.
Amarāvati-Hīrāmaṇi Professor (Research), Vision Research Institute, Physics, Neuroscience, & Consciousness Research Dept.
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December 11, 2017

Brain is only halfway along in evolution

My idea is very simple. The organisms do not exchange information -- they exchange physical signals. A physical signal carries nothing but itself. It is the function of consciousness to process these physical signals (converted into electric impulses by sense organs) and to transform them into information for the bearer of consciousness. 
In so doing, for there to be new information, consciousness does not only process the new physical (sensory) signals, but also re-processes the formerly memorized elements of experience. In result, every new element of experience (every new information) consists of what we see (hear, etc.) plus what we expect to see (to hear, etc.). 
If we want to convey information, our consciousness performs the reversed act*, namely, it transforms some mental pattern (a thought or idea) into physical signals -- the electrical impulses sent to the muscles. In result, we have various activities like "typing on a keyboard", or "raising hand", or "producing air vibrations using larynx", etc. So, we produce the physical signals which exist in the form of e-m radiation, air vibrations, etc. In case the other person's consciousness is able to transform the produced by us physical signals into new information for that person, it means that communication between us has taken place. 
*Note: we have to apply a very complex system of models to formalize the mechanisms of matter-mind and mind-matter transformations.
[Whit Blauvelt] wrote: In this sense, saying "information is consciousness" is as wrong as saying "meat is life." The living part is precisely what's not there in mere meat, or mere "information."
[S.P.] I do not say that "information is consciousness". I say that information is a product of consciousness. I say that if there is "information", it is always subject-dependent. I say that what is informative for me may not be informative for others, which indicates that information does not exist objectively or "embedded" out there. 
I say that for there to be life, the complex system{organism} must be able not only to consume food and to take part in energetic interactions, but also to construct a metal representation of the outer world it lives in. These three are the possible ways in which the entropy of the complex system{organism} can be kept on a sufficiently low level by the very organism -- this is what I mean by "self-organization".
I do not understand your "meat-hunting" analogy (or metaphor). Why "The animal, alive, is seen as "meat."" ? What this has to do with making a difference between information and physical signal?
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Picture a fetus pondering what the sex life of its parents might be like. In actuality, the fetus does have a solid mammal brain after a certain stage, a brain which is sometimes very active mentally -- sometimes usefully, sometimes spinning wheels in a useless way. But probably the design is solid enough that it would not waste SO much time and energy.... and the fetus brain does seem to learn things like hidden nodes which help it recognize phonemes in the language spoken near it. But our present brains are clearly not so well-designed in regards to not wasting time on debates full of conviction about stuff less than 0.1 femtometers or more than 10 billion years or light years; that's what happens when a brain is only halfway along in evolution between one quantum level of consciousness and the next. (NOT about "quantum theory" here...)

As for "physical"... it is curious how folks may intensely say they do not believe in the physical, or the material, or the mechanistic, or the natural, while somehow making it clear that they believe those words actually mean something very definite, definite and agreed enough to be worthy of very hard and crisp opinions. 

Does "physical" mean "stuff like what physicists study?" Well, back when Maxwell's Laws caught on, the folk wisdom was ever so upset about how physical they WEREN'T. More and more, we understand that they were just a set of differential equations, operating over "fields" which were just functions of space-time. People complained "but what do these functions REPRESENT? What is the physical MEDIUM which these waves are moving through?" Answer: no such thing. Even if the electromagnetic field WERE to be represented in a new ultimate theory of physics (say, a lattice model), that model itself would be just another mathematical model, no more "physical" than the first. Our understanding is INHERENTLY a kind of infinite regress, and we need to get used to that. Getting used to that is a part of sanity or zhengqi, the next stage for the vast bulk of us in any authentic mental development, mundane OR esoteric. Overuse of words like "material (as an adjective)", or "physical" tends to be just a red flag that one is in the pre-Maxwell era of thinking. As for "natural"... you don't hear Dean Radin saying he is exploring the supernatural! For excellent reason!

My problem with the sentence you quote above is, above all, extreme ambiguity. Taken one way, it can be made to be true. Taken another way, it contradicts not only Einstein but the monist traditions of East and West, and in a practical sense sanity itself. We all fall into a bit of ambiguity from time to time, especially in informal discussions with people we trust, but it is a waste of energy to debate over what is so completely ill-defined. 

Paul Werbos 

Dear Vinod ji and Roman,

I agree with no “explanatory gap” (e-gap) as a third criterion; other two are subjective and objective evidence. However, how do we decide it is a real e-gap if the author of the framework claims there is none, but an opponent maintains that the e-gap remains?

(Boyer, 2018).Ch.5 and others propose 3 types of information:

1. Physical Shannon type information such as “the quantum information field that generates relativistic spacetime”,

2. Biological “‘shaping information,’ referring to how biophysical structures and functions are guided, by DNA for example” and

3. Psychological information, which “includes purpose and intention in terms of the exchange of semantic meaning between conscious senders and receivers—as for example in language.” (Boyer, 2018).

In the eDAM, a state of the information in an entity has dual-aspect and both aspects (mental and physical) have the same information, except its form may be different and it appears different depending on the perspective of viewing it. Therefore, the ontology of both aspects is the ontology of this common information.

The mental aspect of a state of the information in an inert entity appears “latent” to us (as a 3rd person) because it, like us, is also made of related elementary particles. A dual-aspect panpsychist may argue that the mental aspect from the point of view (1pp) of the inert entity may be known to the inert entity but it is unknown to us. The opponents will clearly reject it. It should be noted that it is also a manifestation of the primal entity (Brahman) and certainly has a specific function that may be useful to us and hence we should respect it and do not look at it in a degraded manner. 
Kind regards, Rām

Vimal: The dual-aspect monism framework is close to an ancient views: (a) Kashmir Shaivism (860–925 AD) with Shiva as mental aspect and Shakti as physical aspect and (b) cit-acit Viśiṣṭādvaita (Ramānujāchārya: 1017-1137 AD: cit as mental and acit as physical aspect (i.e., adjectives/aspects of Brahman), see (Vimal, 2012c) and (Radhakrishnan, 1960)). The latter is close to Āstika Dvi-Pakṣa Advaita (theist version of the eDAM), which has been verified by an expert Padmabhushan Jagadguru Rambhadracharya (PhD, DLitt) of Chitrakut (India) (personal meeting on 23rd Dec 2011 night in Chitrakoot Ashram); for detail see Section 4.4.2 of (Vimal, 2012c).  There are empirical evidences for conscious state that are unable to reject eDAM. For a critical test, experiments are proposed in Section 3.2 of (Vimal, 2015f) to reject it. The eDAM is based on the bottom-up approach: from the unmanifested UF (Brahman) of transcendent/subtlest level to the manifested causal and astral bodies of subtle level to the manifested physical bodies of gross level to the manifested Samādhi state where we acquire godly virtues such as compassion, humility, and love for all, and experience bliss and paranormal phenomena. However, further research is needed, especially the eDAM in non-living systems. The eDAM is the least problematic if you can understand it from its own point of view. Therefore, it is worth pursuing it and commenting it to make it better.

Vimal: In the eDAM, the physical aspect of a state of the information in a non-living entity (physical body) is manifested, but its inseparable mental aspect is latent in the gross level. The condensation/congealing process used in idealism and/or Sāṅkhya is unclear how that can be possible. In the eDAM, the processes are the inter-dependently co-origination and co-evolution of both aspects. 
Kind regards, Rām
Rām Lakhan Pāndey Vimal, Ph.D.

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57 days ago - Abstract—This paper appreciates the stimulating and thought-provoking synthesis of Heraclitus' philosophy offered by Sri Aurobindo. The deep philosophical insights of Heraclitus expressed in aphoristic and cryptic form inspired him and supported

Comparative Literature in India in the Twenty-first Century

AK Singh - The English Paradigm in India, 2017 - Springer
83 days ago -  … The paper looks at the writers from Indian subcontinent such as Gurudev Tagore, Sri Aurobindo and many poets and authors such as Umashankar Joshi in Gujarati, Shamsher Bahadur Singh in Hindi and Faiz Ahmed 'Faiz' in Urdu who provide the models for such a …

Role of Philosophy of Education in India

K Srivastava - Tattva-Journal of Philosophy, 2017 -
83 days ago -  … Rabindranath Tagore, Sri Aurobindo and Swami Vivekananda … Keywords: Indian Educational Philosophy, Mahatma Gandhi, Rabindranath Tagore, SriAurobindo, Swami Vivekananda * Central University of Jharkhand, India; Page 2 …

Foundations of yoga psychology

KR Rao - 2017 - Springer
97 days ago -  … tation. Mr. H. Dukhan from Trinidad joined our team at Andhra University. He was able to have the cooperation of an Ashram in Pondicherry (not the Sri Aurobindo Ashram) and tested meditators before and after meditation. He …

Why is Neo-Vedanta Universal

P Vijayarangam - Research Journal of Humanities and Social …, 2017 -
116 days ago -  … It was 'Neo-Vedanta'. German Indologist, Paul Hacker, also used this term to refer to the writings of religious thinkers and writers within this new framework with definite orientation towards Vedantic principles especially of Swami Vivekananda and Sri Aurobindo. KEYWORDS …


A Saini -
99 days ago - Sri Aurobindo (1872-1950), the great educationist of India, has set forth his philosophy in the life Divine. He bases his philosophy on the original Vedanta of the Upanishadas. Sri Aurobindo believes that earlier Vedanta represent and integral or

[BOOK] Introduction to Sri Aurobindo's Philosophy

NN Londhe -
120 days ago - Sri Aurobindo was a great modern philosopher who made an unprecedented remarkable contribution to the Indian philosophical thought with his concept of Supermind. His thoughts originated from his spiritual sadhna he did for forty long years at Pondicherry at

[BOOK] Sri Aurobindo's Integral and Supramental Yoga in Savitri

NN Londhe -
120 days ago - Sri Aurobindo was a yogi of very high order. The yoga he practiced was the Integral Yoga and Supramental Yoga which aim at divinizing both the individual and the universe at large. He attempted to encode his yogic vision in Savitri. Therefore, his epic

[BOOK] Sri Aurobindo's Poetic Theory

NN Londhe -
122 days ago - Though Sri Aurobindo was a born poet, he elevated the act of poetic creation to the divine plane of consciousness through his spiritual sadhna for forty long years at Pondicherry. This is exactly in tune with the ancient practice of Vedic rishis who created their

[PDF] Was there sophisticated mathematics during Vedic Age?

AK DUTTA - An anthology of disparate thoughts at a popular level …, 2016 -
58 days ago -  … Savants like Swami Vivekananda and Sri Aurobindo have made brief but significant statements alluding to this rich legacy and it will be unfortunate if we continue to remain ignorant about it or, what is worse, choose to deny it …

[PDF] IN his Farewell Address to the students of the Bengal National College on 23 August 1907, Sri Aurobindo says: If you will study, study for her [the Mother's …

58 days ago - As one revisits the life of Acharya Prafulla Chandra Ray, one is reminded of the above message of Sri Aurobindo. An intense love for the country and her people was the fountain spring from which flowed the various streams of the Acharya's activity. Indeed,

My disagreements with Charles Goodman continue with his contribution to Jake Davis's thought-provoking volume A Mirror Is For Reflection. (I've previously written about Jan Westerhoff's chapter in the same book.) Just like Westerhoff, Charles is exploring the important question of naturalizing karma. He does so with particular reference to Śāntideva. He opens with a beautiful reading of Śikṣā Samuccaya chapter 4's graphic descriptions of the punishments a wrongdoer will face in the hells, reading them in terms of the actions' psychological effects on the wrongdoer. The problem with this reading is that it doesn't go far enough. Amod Lele, December 10, 2017

December 09, 2017

Neo-Vedantic Knowledge project of Sri Aurobindo

Collated by Tusar Nath Mohapatra:

Workshop for 6-9 year olds on 16 Dec at Gnostic Centre - A workshop on Imagination through Robotics, Pottery, Movement, Illustrations and Visualisation. Contact / 9810033308

Excited to be sponsoring Wisdom 2.0 2018! Join us there along with leading business & spiritual leaders. #wisdom2conf

New at IPB: 50th Annual Conference of the Society for Asian and Comparative Philosophy

Aurobindo Ghose abandoned his deep-seated political activities to develop a religious teaching for the spiritual benefit of all men. Read about his spiritual views and ideas in Prasenjit Sen’s book SRI AUROBINDO, here:

Great piece on Sri Aurobindo, The Hindu

[PDF] Building an Intuitive Mentality: The Neo-Vedantic Knowledge Project of Sri Aurobindo
D Banerji - 2017
Abstract Post-Enlightenment philosophy, which is largely creative of and dominates the modern consciousness, has defined humanism in terms of rationality and its control over the irrational. This has led to our technological age but has also spawned counter philosophies 

I Gandhi - 2017
… lifestyle related disorders. Over a long period of time many yogis, philosophers and scholars such as Patanjali, Gandhiji, Sri Aurobindo and various others have accepted yoga as a tool for self-realisation. Gandhiji's morality …

[DOC] Post-Colonial Approach in Mahesh Dattani's Plays
MJM Rajput
… This appeared on the literary horizon in 1871. Rabindranath Tagore and Sri Aurobindo, the two great sages - poets of India, are the first Indian dramatists in English. RN Tagore wrote primarily in Bengali but almost all his Bengali plays are available to us in English renderings …

Theme of Nature in Sri Aurobindo's Savitri: an Overview.
TK Panda - International Journal of Innovative Knowledge …, 2017
Abstract Spiritualism and its interpretation through Nature in Sri Aurobindo's Savitri has become an attraction for all. Man through spiritual Sadhana can be a superhuman only by regulating his nature. Savitri could achieve the power by which she could conquer death that 

Bhagavad Gita and Hindu modes of capitalist accumulation in India
BS Nayak, BS Nayak - Society and Business Review, 2017

[HTML] Cattle in religion
GM TV, C Naturism, H Church, UM Church, M Luther…
Cattle are considered sacred in various world religions, most notably Hinduism, but also...

[PDF] Non Cognitive Skills and Indian Education policy Indian Situation Analysis
N Pahwa
… Page 13. 13 Reference list Aurobindo, S. (1990). (Reprint). On education. Pondicherry: Aurobindo Ashram. ASER.(2014). Annual Status of Learning Report Bloom, BS, Engelhart, MD, Furst, EJ, Hill, WH, & Krathwohl, DR (1956) …

B Ghosh, S Bagchi
… 5. Cunningham, A. (2006): The Ancient Geography of India, Low Price Publications, Delhi (originally published in 1871). 6. Ghosh, Aurobindo (2005): Life Divine, Published by Sri Aurobindo Ashram Publication Department, Pondicherry, India …

Indian constitution treats citizens based on their religion. Why are people then demanding that religion and politics not be mixed?

My views on Hindutva are more nuanced now. The state-society distinction remains material, and so is the terminology. But having studied history, philosophy and religion further- I believe that India should be declared a Dharma Rashtra. My piece (Jan 2012)

Savitri Era Open Forum (SEOF - since 2005): With the Mother, Sri Aurobindo ushered in modern Hinduism @madversity @viryavaan @redLotus1_ @NathTusar #SriAurobindo #FiveDreams

Arya–4. No 5—December 1917 Sri Aurobindo
The Future Poetry I., A Hymn to Savitri [5.81]
The Life Divine XXXIX. The Ascent out of the Ignorance
Synthesis of Yoga XXXVII. The Higher and the Lower Knowledge
Essays on the Gita The Divine Birth and Divine Works (3) 

(1) MANOJ DAS GUPTA, (2) DILIP KUMAR DUTTA, (3) DILIP MEHTANI, (4) PRABHAKAR RUPANAGUNTA @ BATTI and (5) ABHIPSA NAGDA, the trustees of Sri Aurobindo Ashram, Pondicherry

Sri Aurobindo Society
Pradeep Narang, Chairman
Vijay Poddar, Admn & Finance
Sushila Melvani, Secretary
Gopal Bhattacharjee, Joint Secretary & International Secretary
Ajit Sabnis
Amod Kumar
Jaybharat D Jethwa
Kaivalya Smart
O P Dani
Vijay K Poddar

Dr. Karan Singh (Chairman for a fourth term of four years), Dr. Prema Nandakumar, Prof. Sachidananda Mohanty, Dr. Anirban Ganguly, and Dr. Nirima Oza. Ex-officio members are Mr. Rakesh Ranjan, IAS and Ms. Darshana Dabral, IAS. - Governing Board, Auroville

Feel Philosophy: Their concerns are complimentary, and a dialog between these thinkers is urgently required - At the ends of man: Sri Aurobindo and Michel Foucault by Rich
Provocation and Interruption
by Sam Mickey
Provocation and interruption are, respectively, the origin and goal of philosophy. This sense of philosophy finds expression in the following quotations from Peter Sloterdijk, the first of which suggests that philosophy is a trace of an unavoidable provocation, while the second articulates the function of the philosopher as an interrupter.

I occasionally try to convince my peers that people in general aren’t the vulgar Cartesians we sometimes caricature them to be, and then stuff like this happens. SMH.

It is interesting to look briefly over the exchanges on this thread, at 5am here in seoul, and compare with the more intense discussions of consciousness in korea and japan of the past few weeks, also including the leader of japan's main brain institute (who would react much as Roman would to assumptions made on this thread). 

One relevant point from here -- the fact that humans in the animal kingdom of this tiny planet earth are unique here, in time and in space, in their ability to lose touch with reality. Cats and mice can be abberated by undigested traumatic or euphoric memories, just as humans can, but humans can become attached to totally nonproductive and meaningless verbal behavior in ways which lower types of consciousness do not (because they do not believe words so much) and which higher forms do not (because they do not abuse words so much). This widespread losing touch with reality, made worse for many people due to "reddit" or "fake news" phenomena,  is ever more visible in ever so many forms these days,  and it is a serious real world challenge how to deal with it. Respect for the cat and the mouse is one part of what could help us all to calm down a bit and reconnect with reality.. but maybe this is not the place to get TOO deep into such issues.

For here.. there are issues of emphasis. Maybe we should not be putting so much energy into defending or attacking soeculations about things more than 10 billion yeaes or light years away, or smaller than 0.1 femtometers. One might hope that roman (or even neuroscience people on the sadhu list) might be more interested in the tapestry of actual experience of what ram sees in his brain kab or direct experience, than in debates about speculations beyond our authentic first person OR laboratory experience. (Please no neurotic smirks from people asserting they have clear personal memories of when the ordained the big bang. There have been discussions here as well about what really goes on in the minds of donald trump and of king kim III, certainly a serious and important topic, but not appropriate for naive emulation.)

Another theme which keeps coming up at all levels in serious discussions: the old Mark Twain saying, roughly: it's not what you don't know that kills you, it's what you know that isn't true. As the old sages said long ago, we all need to pay a bit more attention to trying to understand our own blind spots.

Best of luck,  Paul

What you are saying is that the brain creates both the neural correlate (NC) and its 'meaning' which the first person is aware of and any third person is not; the latter is aware of the NC but the former is not.  I do not deny that.
Consider the experience of seeing an apple for example. The NC is a faithful representation of the apple. (For example, Jz Young in Programs of the Brain says "the detailed characteristics of brain cells provide ‘codes’ for features of the world, such as a particular line or sound, or the color red so that some physical events in the nerves together provide a faithful representation of events outside, and a detailed model of the world.").  Now if you show the apple to a computer, it will also create a record (electronic) and can even say that the apple is red but it does not create the 'meaning' for the record.  The meaning is assigned by the programmer, to the computer's record  consisting of hardware elements.  That is how the computer announces or prints out the meaning of its record.  So, there is a physical component and a mental component to what the brain does.  The computer can only perform the physical component but not the mental component.  In other words the physical and mental functions are separate.  
Syamala Hari