September 11, 2021

Embedding your identity in a set of abstract beliefs

We are pleased to announce the launch of our webinar series #Vaicariki as part of #SriAurobindo's 150th birth anniversary celebrations. The first webinar will be on the topic ‘Integrality of the New Education Policy’ on 13 Sep. Register here:
Sh. Matthijs Cornelissen, Founder of Indian Psychology Institute and teacher at SAICE Pondicherry, took the class on 'Gradations of Mind' today in the #SriAurobindo Course. Register for the course here: rashtram.org/sri-aurobindo-
Human beings are conditioned. Therefore they are not free. They think they are free because when they choose, they think they are free. Choice is merely the outcome of confusion, not of certainty. When you are certain, clear, there is no choice. Any Comments Idiots
Traditionalism is paradoxically a very modern thing because the moment you start embedding your identity in a set of abstract beliefs independent of your location in society, space and time, in that moment you become irreparably modern.
This happens because the kind of individualism that powers this feat of abstraction is a distinctly modern thing. So the whole exercise which makes 'tradition' a ground for mobilisation itself is distinctly modern.
Put well, but the consequences, regrettably, may not be modern and hence looking at traditionalism in this reductionist and abstract sense might not be a good lens. The best assessment of tradition vis-à-vis evolution has been provided by Sri Aurobindo in his The Human Cycle.
Savitri Erans are either Hindus or are not Hindus. If they are not, then why must they interfere in the affairs of Hindus?
surprising that some ‘I know more than everyone‘ type devotees of d Mother claim that we shouldn’t believe in our Gods once we’re on d path of #SriAurobindo ! It was a different matter that Lord Ganesh too couldn’t fulfill all d demands of TM !!
It's upon each individual; each one has his own pace of progress. So there's no we, no uniformity. [Matthew 6:24 - Bible “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both]
Hindutva agents trying to spread seeds of discord and confusion among the devotees of The Mother & Sri Aurobindo is mischievous. There should be constant vigilance against flamboyance of such characters and their overt and covert promoters. Savitri Erans will have to win this war.
Brevity can mislead. Integral yoga may not ask for change of religion but it doesn't bar religious conversion as available under the Constitution. However, there shouldn't be any unreasonable allurement or coercion. Officially unrecognised religions too have their own attraction.
Writing can't but wresting power can. Savitri Era Party seeks to provide an alternative under Sri Aurobindo's inspiration.
Culture amounts to sympathetic appreciation, right evaluation, and avoiding disproportion. Some handles focus on interested themes as a result of which a balanced view of things fails to emerge. This lopsidedness leads to distorted history and unintended selective amnesia. Beware
library.sriaurobindoashram.org/mother/cwm10/c [One who truly follows the path given by #SriAurobindo, as soon as he begins to have the experience of this path, will find it impossible to confine his consciousness to the worship of any god or goddess or even of all of them together.] -Mother on T&A-159
Rainbow & the Other: Bipin Chandra Pal articulated with greater eloquence the idea of Swaraj rainbowther.blogspot.com/2021/09/bipin- [Therefore it's not the case as Pradhan claims of all the Extremist leaders, Aurobindo alone could visualise Swaraj in the form of absolute political independence]
Marketime: It's not the case that Sri Aurobindo alone could visualise Swaraj marketime.blogspot.com/2021/09/its-no Collated by TN Mohapatra Director, SELF (2005), Savitri Era Religion (2006), and Savitri Era Party (2007) Savitri Era of those who adore, Om Sri Aurobindo & The Mother.
Evergreen Essays: Polar difference between Vivekananda’s idea and Kendra's evergreenessays.blogspot.com/2021/09/polar- [Kendra lays its stress upon Hindu nation. Vivekananda did not want confrontation with other faith or religion. He was a man for tolerance, openness, nonsectarian and a true Hindu.]

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Thank you Sumangala.
But the inspiration of scientists is often mystical, coming through the depth of the unconscious and science is rarely just a rational activity. Our emotionally held biases keep creeping in and the 'participant observer' tend to change outcomes. Andris Heks
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To claim that scientific activity stems from "evidence" as stated by the flyer below by Sripad Bahkta Mahdavah Puri Maharaja is in ignorance and neglect of both the imaginal activity and the semiotic processes as primordial, be that scientist, artist or explorer or still of a human of anywhere and any cognitive background of any kind, which go to discover the evidence that would meet this activity. 
Its further claim for the "rationality" of science stands as the natural reductionism of dualism. It is more of a dialectic process, in which creativity is supported by a supradual ontoepistemology, even when the said humans are unaware of it. When this is not unconscious we operate through abduction, as described as a non-inferential process identified by Charles Peirce as the only way to creativity in his work on the logic of science.
This claim ignores the unconscious activity which supports the eureka events, such as the realization by Hamilton of the quaternions which manifested as a whole in an instant. Two realizations were involved: fourness and non-commutatitivity, the latter the fundamental basis for Quantum Mechanics as today further realized as Quantum Cognition, and the very basis of the torsion geometry of space and of cognition (Rapoport)
Would rationality be the means and support of science, then Organic Chemistry would not exist. We recall Kekule's report of his revelation of the circular structure of benzene while in an hypnagogic state sitting at his desk after luch, falling asleep to "awake" to see two serpents mutually  one the other. Kekule was not a rationalist in the sense of this flyer, but actually a belated alchemist being informed on the archetypal Ouroboros, then turned to benzene. Newton, the alchemist scientist was far more unintegrated than Kekule. 
The only difference in that claim is a recourse to mention that is undefined but by negation of its "mechanical inception", and left unellaborated at that.
Also to claim that "Science is the product of the Rational activity of Scientists" is on the one hand to reduce this rich process of creativity in which semiotic processes such as  metaphorization are crucial (think of the Bohr picture of the atom as a planetary system, for one), and still to ignore that prior to "Rationality" emotics plays a crucial role to spur the cognitive process, and as biological psychology has elicited (Panksepp, Solms, Damasio in the neurosciences. 
Neglect of the aesthetics of the activity as a driving axis is also manifest.
Seems more of an extract of a 19th century positivism manual.
Sincerely, humbly adamantly
Diego Lucio Rapoport
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No, science is not a body of knowledge. I know that the Classical Latin word scientia meant "knowledge", but that's not what is meant by "science" today. Science is a _method_ for testing ideas. It consists of empirical falsification and parsimony (and really the former contains a lot of the latter).

> physics and chemistry are subsets of Scientific knowledge
No, physics and chemistry are science as applied to certain subsets of natural phenomena.

> Science is the product of the rational activity of Scientists.
Sure, parsimony is rational, at least to the extent that it can't be outsourced to a computer, and falsification is rational as well in that it requires coming up with rigorous ways of testing a particular idea, often using statistics. But, as others have pointed out, the ideas that science tests need not have any rational origin. They can come from dreams, like Kekulé's idea on benzene that turned out to be pretty much correct; they can come from meditation, LSD trips, religious experiences, it doesn't matter. What matters is whether they're testable.
Ideas that are not testable are not scientific. Subjective experiences are testable if enough people have them that they can be compared. If that is not the case, so that everyone else can only take them on faith, they're useless to science.
The rest of the picture falls with these three statements.
David Marjanovic
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It reminded me of similar contrasts in Karl Heim's book, Christian Faith and Natural Science.  In it, he uses the term "suprapolar space" to express what may be the same as your concept of absolute space. On page 165 of my 1957 Harper Torchbooks edition, he lets the reader know that he wants to  get beyond the concepts of immanence and transcendence. The next ten pages go into various details about how he wants to do this; in the process he also talks about how the suprapolar space contrasts with the ordinary "polar" space of physics.

His main thesis throughout the book is how we must take consciousness as the starting point for a philosophy that can stand in contrast to materialism. He uses the word "Ego" for what Hinduism calls  Atman, the individual Self, and it is our separate selves that he never loses sight of, and how we are separated frorm each other in a way that only God, whose space is suprapolar, can overcome. 

At the end of this book he says he means to overcome the disharmony between secularism and faith, in a way that is firmly grounded in the physical and biological sciences, "in the remaining parts of this work." I never found out  what these "remaining parts" were, but the Wikipedia entry on Karl Heim leads me to think that it might be The Transformation of the Scientific World-View. 

Peter Nyikos
Professor, Dept. of Mathematics        
University of South Carolina

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