You have not yet attained the lived experience of their message

from M Alan Kazlev to "Tusar N. Mohapatra" tusarnmohapatra@gmail.com date 2 May 2008 09:04 subject Re: Savitri Era Learning Forum : It is impossible to speak authoritatively of the...

hi Tusar

I do find the students of PNB (Thea) to be sincere and decent people. It is just that, like you, I cannot agree with their belief that PNB is an avatar.
best wishes alan

from Robert E. Wilkinson robtw@sprynet.com to "Tusar N. Mohapatra" tusarnmohapatra@gmail.com , Lori Tompkins lotus@saber.net ,
date 2 May 2008 18:00 subject Re: Savitri Era Learning Forum:

My Dear Tusar,

People such as who have come to Sri Aurobindo’s work without a direct understanding forged in the fires of a yogic tapasya believe only in the IDEA of Sri Aurobindo and the Mother. You have not yet attained the lived experience of their message. And because of this limitation, you have unknowingly entombed this greatest spiritual work of the Age in a religious dogma which you and others preside over as the final authorities of their message. This is not a Supra-mental realization but a MENTAL one. When what I write challenges your dogmatic mental beliefs, you respond with an indignant snarl, arrogantly proclaiming my words to be “dishonest concoctions, spiritual distortions and contagious curios.” What unbelievable hypocrisy. You have not read the first word of any of Thea’s books yet you dismiss her as an irrelevant interloper. This is beyond arrogance, it is simply dishonest.

Everything you have written here about philosophy and ontology is an old mental view based on BEING and its correspondences. By this approach you attempt to FREEZE Sri and the Mother as the eternal symbols of Purusha and Prakriti, with no movement or continuity but this is NOT Sri Aurobindo’s message. He wrote:

"The significance of our existence here determines our destiny... If there is a Being that is becoming, a Reality of existence that is unrolling itself in Time, what that being, that reality secretly is is what we have to become, and so to become is our life's significance." The Life Divine, Chapter 28. - Sri Aurobindo

In order to move beyond this frozen duality of BEING into a dynamic reality of existence and Destiny, a THIRD principle is required to add synthesis and Becoming. This is a fundamental principal of Vedic knowledge. It may be called “the Law of Three” for it expresses an irreducible truth that at the heart of the creation lies a tripartite harmony of energy or “seed” from which the entire cosmos evolves. The three principle gods of India, the “Trimurti” of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are representative of this essential truth and reflect its supreme importance. The ancient tradition of Ayurveda honors this essential harmony of Three as the “Tridoshas” (the three energies), the primary factors of the human body that govern our health. In the Bhagavad Gita this occult knowledge is described as the “Three Gunas” and is extolled by Krishna as the basis of an Ultimate Wisdom. In Christianity this eternal formula is simply known as the “Trinity of God.” In more modern times this sublime principle was appropriated by the philosopher Hegel to describe his dialectical process of Thesis, Antithesis and Synthesis.

The ‘Law of Three’ permeates myth, legend and religious forms because it is an irreducible archetype. For this reason, among many others, I find it stunningly naive that you and many of the followers of Sri Aurobindo and the Mother have glibly dismissed Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet (Thea) and her prodigious body of Supramental knowledge as irrelevant to their epochal yoga. Was it not Sri Aurobindo himself who wrote?

“While the Divine is One, it is also manifold... It is at once Transcendental, Cosmic and Individual. By knowing the eternal unity of these three powers of the eternal manifestation, God, the Cosmos and the Individual self, and their intimate necessity to each other, we come to understand existence itself.…” Sri Aurobindo, The Synthesis of Yoga

Until this error is corrected, we will continue the religious worship of Sri Aurobindo and the Mother with no real understanding of their message and this work will languish for another forty years.

Perhaps you will remember Tusar, that the Mother herself said that the leadership of this work would be based upon REALIZATION, and KNOWLEDGE. And how is this leadership to arise if people who have been given the sacred responsibility of broadcasting Sri Aurobindo’s message to the world use it to indulge their own intellectual hypocrisy? The Hour of God is upon us now as never before,

“…woe to them whose ears are sealed to the call… and thrice woe to them who are strong and ready yet waste the force and misuse the moment, for them is irreparable loss or great destruction.”

Perhaps you should take this to heart.

In the service of Truth, Robert

----- Original Message ----- From: Tusar N. Mohapatra To: Robert E. Wilkinson Cc: Lori Tompkins Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:37 PM Subject: Re: Savitri Era Learning Forum : It is impossible to speak authoritatively of the...

[In many respects, Buddhism is very much like science. One starts with the hypothesis that using attention in the prescribed way (meditation), and engaging in or avoiding certain behaviors (ethics), will bear the promised result (wisdom and psychological well-being). This spirit of empiricism animates Buddhism to a unique degree. For this reason, the methodology of Buddhism, if shorn of its religious encumbrances, could be one of our greatest resources as we struggle to develop our scientific understanding of human subjectivity." Sam Harris on Buddhism from Zaadz: ~C4Chaos' Blog (Crossposted from www.c4chaos.com)] An unabashed confession of how a Western mind falls for "methodology" and "empiricism" even in matters that demands abandonment and living within. [TNM] Posted by Tusar N Mohapatra at 9:02 AM 0 comments Links Sunday, October 21, 2007

Sri Aurobindo hits a sixer Through his Judeo-Vedic synthetic cosmology as delineated in The Life Divine, Sri Aurobindo was successful in refuting the hegemony of the Buddhist-Advaitic worldview. The octopus-like grip of Six Darshanas was also cut asunder. The Indian mind is now free to think without the logical positivism of Nagarjuna or Navya-Nyaya.
The work of six major philosophers in the West who were also engaged in a task more or less similar to Sri Aurobindo's at the time are quite noteworthy. They are Bergson, Teilhard, Alexander, Whitehead, Husserl, and Heidegger. They have produced revolutionary accounts of reality, each of which can be independently accepted as canonical.
But, thanks to Sri Aurobindo, along with the Six Darshanas, the six major western philosophers too bite dust. The copycats, sooner or later, are likely to meet the same fate. [TNM] Posted by Tusar N Mohapatra at 3:31 PM 0 comments Links Tuesday, November 06, 2007

Note on the Text of The Synthesis of Yoga links it to Sapta Chatusthaya. We seem to be perpetually in search of a process, a method, a system of practice. Therefore, Record of Yoga or Mother's Agenda assumes disproportionate importance for some people. It is an attitude that finds ready reception in the people of Western origin. But The Mother and Sri Aurobindo always insisted on steering clear of such grooves for "mind determines body." The Life Divine is the repository of all attitudinal re-engineering that we need to internalize. [TNM] 7:40 AM Posted by Tusar N Mohapatra at 8:46 AM 0 comments Links Saturday, April 05, 2008

Sankhya, enumeration and analysis, is science and epistemology; while, Yoga, synthesis, is philosophy and ontology. [TNM] 10:02 AM Saturday, August 25, 2007 Posted by Tusar N Mohapatra at 2:18 PM 1 comments Links

Dear Robert

The Knowledge that you are privileging is the Sankhya approach, also avidly pursued by the Theosophists, from which The Mother and Sri Aurobindo have rid us. I find no reason to be seduced by such curios that pop up every now and then and carry their contagion.

You have skirted the "Third" question that you "ambush" faith-market by riding piggyback on the names of The Mother and Sri Aurobindo.

Yours fraternally, Tusar

2008/5/1 Robert E. Wilkinson robtw@sprynet.com: Dear Tusar,

I find from your writings that you are far too intelligent to dismiss Knowledge simply on the basis of its being contentious. If this were so, Sri Aurobindo would never have survived since his teaching flew in the face of the spiritual teachings of the day. Exactly what about Thea's teachings do you find objectionable or distortions?

You see Tusar, if you will think about it, you will discover that you really haven't read her books, that your objections are based upon opinion and prejudice rather than fact. What you describe as "orchestrated positioning and publicizing" on our part is simply the natural outpouring of Realization, in the very same way that Tagore acknowledged Sri Aurobindo.

If you have an issue with that, it is easily solved through an honest and sincere discussion. Are you up for that or do you prefer to cling to your uninformed prejudice?

In the brotherhood of Knowledge, Robert

----- Original Message ----- From: Tusar N. Mohapatra To: Robert E. Wilkinson Cc: Lori Tompkins Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:57 AM Subject: Re: Savitri Era Learning Forum : It is impossible to speak authoritatively of the...

Dear Robert,

You know very well what is contentious, and yet want me to spell it out. Orchestrated positioning and publicizing of Thea as the "Third" is the basic objection from which other wilful distortions ensue. However, I have no intention to question your faith and conviction or your pet areas of research. All the best,

Yours fraternally, Tusar

2008/5/1 Robert E. Wilkinson <robtw@sprynet.com>: Dear Tusar,

Thank you for your explanaton. Since you are for spirited debate and discussion, perhaps you would like to tell me why you consider what I have posted to be a dishonest concoction and distortion. And please be as specific as possible about your criticisms. I completely disagree with your notion that truth will emerge through negotiation, for that would not be Truth but a mental concensus which, if you know anything about Sri Aurobindo, it completely antithetical to a Supramental consciousness. So let us discuss this question in a fraternal spirit on or off your blog.

With best regards, Robert

----- Original Message ----- From: Tusar N. Mohapatra To: Robert E. Wilkinson Cc: Lori Tompkins Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:27 PM Subject: Re: Savitri Era Learning Forum : It is impossible to speak authoritatively of the...

Thanks Robert for the response, but the heading, as you are aware, is always mine. In this case, however, the Blogger slot for title didn't accept more characters; and then, no heading can encapsulate the whole message of an article.

That Thea is fundamental to your worldview is your personal choice. Not only, I don't subscribe to that, but also, my job is to oppose such dishonest concoctions, and spirited distortions. However, I am for debate, discussion, and communication. Let the truth emerge through democratic negotiations.

Yours fraternally, Tusar N. Mohapatra

2008/4/30 Robert E. Wilkinson robtw@sprynet.com: Hello Tusar,

Thank you for publishing my reply to David Frawley. I wonder if I could draw your attention to something that I find troubling. When you set up the heading, you wrote, "It is impossible to speak authoritatively of the future evolution of humanity without acknowledging the contribution of Sri Aurobindo." What I had written in my article was, "It is impossible to speak authoritatively of the future evolution of humanity without acknowledging the contribution of Sri Aurobindo and his line.

Your edit, perhaps unintentionally, left out the Mother and Thea as being a significant part of Sri Aurobindo work. I would very much appreciate you making that correction because it is so fundamental to what I writing here.

With warmest regards, Robert

----- Original Message ----- From: Tusar N. Mohapatra To: robtw@sprynet.com Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:59 AM Subject: Savitri Era Learning Forum : It is impossible to speak authoritatively of the...
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