June 21, 2017

Divinity that was once attributed to the state is now vested in mankind

Stephen H. Phillips - 1986 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions
Indian mystic empiricism But this avowed disinterest in non-mystic philosophy on Aurobindo's part does not illumine our central question which is whether what he sees as Indian mystic ... Compare this with more than forty mentions each of Kalidasa and Sankara, authors whom it is sure Aurobindo read (in Sanskrit).

Perhaps Sri Aurobindo could go a step further and say that the true life-story of a man is to be found only in the spiritual depth of his being and not in the rather ' superficial ' thought-level. ... Of course I must mention here that Sri Aurobindo's acquaintance with others' works was considerably wider than that of Wittgenstein's.

Jeffrey John Kripal, ‎Glenn W. Shuck - 2005 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions
... never cites a western author, even when it seems obvious that he is drawing on one: Nietzsche (the philosopher's Ubermensch floats somewhere behind Aurobindo's "Superman" and "Supermind"), Kant,20 Einstein,21 and, of course, Darwin all seem to be present here, but oddly there is virtually no mention of their names.

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He is not in the habit of mentioning names but his theory of the soul of the nation, we have seen, has remarkable Hegelian affiliations. His conception of the nation as a psychological unit is comparable to that of  ...

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Critique and Conclusion Aurobindo's theory of nationalism represents the synthesis of several intellectual ... He does not mention Burke but several important leaders of India like Banerjea, Gokhale and Pal were influenced by Burke and the ...

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It is somewhat paradoxical that nationalism or the state as a moral entity carries only a limited value in Aurobindo's vision of the progress of human society: the divinity that was once attributed to the state is now vested in mankind as a whole, the divine humanity. We must note this significant difference between the early ...

Aurobindo says: "Mankind upon earth is one foremost self-expression of the universal being in His cosmic self-unfolding ; he expresses under the conditions of the ... Aurobindo does not mention Burke but several important leaders of India like Surendranath Banerjea, Gokhale and Pal were influenced by Burke, whose ideas ...

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Earlier, of course, Edmund Burke had formulated the clear possibility of forming one commonwealth more expediently and readily by the states of Europe rather than ... But the questions that intrigued Indian intellectuals like Aurobindo pertained to fundamental humanistic values and moral principles underlying the essential ...

In contrast to this one could instructively reflect on Edmund Burke's indictment of the French Revolution. True to his empiricism and conservatism Burke thought of the French Revolution as a sharp and irrational departure from the traditional mode of settlement of political disputes between authority and the people. The fact ...

John Hick, ‎Lamont Hempel, ‎Joanne Clarke Dillman - 1989 - ‎Political Science
Gandhi does mention his Western heroes occasionally (Tolstoy being the most prominent), but Aurobindo in his voluminous writings does not make it a habit to quote his inspirations. However, Gandhi and ...

My approach is a bit milder. First, I talk about informational factor instead of consciousness. I mean that consciousness appears only when the value of overall (or entropic) state of the complex system becomes sufficiently low for the effect of self-organization to take place.

Second. I talk about equal fundamentality of informational factor, material factor, and energetic factor. By this I mean that all these three factors are equally important for the given entity (as a complex system) to exist.

Indeed. A complex system possesses consciousness only from own perspective. However, we should wait till a physical device be engineered which would be able to detect cognitive activity at a distance and to be able to affect that activity. I have some ideas but the project seems to be too expensive.
Thanks for expressing your views,
Serge Patlavskiy

I meant where do we draw the line between our perception interpreting the universe that we participate in experientially in consciousness and the interactions of a single particle in which action-reaction likewise creates an experiential event? Is that not also a form of consciousness?

Rudy Tanzi
June 21, 2017


there is no action-reaction in the case of a single particle!!
you do not seem to have understood anything I have said about that or what John Walker clearly wrote about that.

Anyone who cannot understand the math in Sutherland's papers will never really understand consciousness as a physical phenomenon.
Jack Sarfatti on June 21, 2017
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Luckily, "anyone who cannot understand the math in Sutherland's papers" and is not satisfied with various panpsychistic and physicalistic solutions may opt for a good alternative approach. I mean that there is a chance to understand the mechanisms of consciousness by considering consciousness as a phenomenon of informational nature which can be isolated from complex systems like a living organism.

However, this approach is by no means easier. This is because that, before starting to talk about consciousness, we have first to consider a special meta-theory (which would make room for the activity of informational factor in general and consciousness in particular) and we have also to consider several important concomitant applied theories.

A good analogy is as follows. Somebody may start from copying files to the flash drive -- this corresponds to start talking about consciousness immediately. But, in fact, we have first to consider some operation system to make out computer to work -- this corresponds to constructing a special meta-theory. Then we have to install the drivers necessary for the flash drive to be "seen" by operation system, and then to format our flash drive under FAT32 or NTFS -- this corresponds to constructing the concomitant applied theories. And only then we may start copying files to the flash drive -- this corresponds to starting constructing the very applied theory of consciousness.

Serge Patlavskiy
June 21, 2017

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