Dear Tusar da,
There is more relevance of Sri Aurobindian ontology if we closely study works of Buckminster Fuller. VE or Vector Equilibrium represents the ultimate stillness of energy and Torus shows how Energy moves in its most balanced dynamic flow process - the thing to understand clearly is that the Torus represents a process and not just a particular form. Man is a process, a verb, a kriya not a noun - (a transitional being)....there are processes and interactivity b/w various processes (areas of overlap and non-overlap).
There is reciprocal relationship b/w structure and background -it allows for nested, mutual influences even b/w macroscopic processes and those at the sub-atomic or nano level, indicating that complexity of pathways through which the qualitative infinity of nature may manifest. We have so far concentrated on the quantitative aspects of the infinity; to understand the divine consciousness we have to zoom in on the qualitative aspects of infinity and the complexity of pathways through which the structure and background correspond with each other.
Love and Peace
Joy
June 16, 2017
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Dear Joy,
I'm happy that you are working at so many different arenas and continue to think in lofty realms. Hope, you are able to access higher and higher zones of inspiration in the years to come.
As far as I am concerned, I feel that The Mother and Sri Aurobindo have not permitted us to rely upon on any set of technicalities beyond their own formulation and terminologies. Hence, professional knowledge shouldn't interfere in our aspirational trajectory.
Since all domains are dealing with partial knowledge and nothing can be proved decisively, I will prefer not to believe in what you write. This caveat notwithstanding, you are free to develop on the seeds of ideas you juggle with. Once again, I convey my encouragements for the same.
Tusar
June 16, 2017
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An apposite connection to Whitehead, Tusar. In fact, the central content of the essay you link, along with the quote from Wittgenstein, has been elegantly packed into one and the same system (the CTMU). All of the following can be naturally interpreted in the same formalism (along with much more):
*We, and all other actual occasions, can discriminate within each moment of our experience a multiplicity of constituent events.
*Each of these events has certain qualities, and is in certain relations with other entities. The qualities in terms of which we know events are abstractions from the events, and are here designated eternal objects. Much of this essay concerns the nature of eternal objects and of the relations that they form to each other and to actual occasions.
*Our perceptions, directly or indirectly, inform us as to the nature of these discriminated events.
*Our experience of the world can be diversified, which is to say that our experiences can be analyzed into events and the abstract factors (eternal objects) characterizing them.
*We can form an adequate description of the whole of our experience in terms of the events and eternal objects thus diversified.
*The eternal objects together constitute a ‘realm of possibility’, and all actualities arise, in one sense, out of this realm.
In fact, Whitehead was a metaphysician whose work adumbrated much of what would later become the CTMU.
Chris Langan
June 15, 2017
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Dear Paul and Bruno,
To my understanding Born rule is essential part of quantum mechanics and quantum field theory. Are you saying that you can do without it?
Best Regards.
kashyap
June 16, 2017
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Dear Vimal,
Although I have not read your papers yet, I am reading with lot of interest your debate with Vinodji. In one of the replies, you are suggesting that empirical tests will decide between the three models. I wonder what they are. Have you discussed these in any of the papers? If I understand you are talking about many non-empirical things. So how would the empirical tests decide these? Most people would agree that quantum mechanics (not interpretations) have passed empirical tests with flying colors.
Another question I have posed to some members before: For a single observer, result of a single quantum measurement is surely subjective and perhaps random. However, by the time you have data on millions and billions of identically prepared systems, all observers agree on the final statistical result. Quantum mechanics would not have been science without this fact. So how do you explain change from subjectivity to objectivity and consensus?
Best Regards.
kashyap
June 17, 2017
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One of the reasons why physicists here do not engage with my comments is, I suspect, that the many physicists who see things much as I do get fed up with chat forums that go on endlessly about ‘interpretations’ of QM that have no real content and stay away. If physicists disagree significantly with what I say I suspect they may not have much familiarity with the neuropsychology of perception. (I get QM math details wrong but I am talking of the broad issues.)
David Bohm started out missing the point and then twenty years later saw that Bohr was essentially right (as Basil Hiley keeps telling us). Maybe actually nobody is engaging with what I say because they have no real disagreement. Jack usually agrees with my points, even if he and I have significantly different approaches.
I think the big problem is that certain very unhelpful approaches to QM have had a high profile in consciousness studies, starting with a non-ironic version of Schrodinger’s cat and most recently the Orch OR idea. People are also obsessed by entanglement, which is completely unnecessary for a viable theory. Early Bohm as originally formulated, as Basil says, is an anachronism. Giuseppe Vitiello, from whom I learnt all the field theory stuff, has some great ideas but got sidetracked by Walter Freeman into an untestable dream.
Best
Jo
June 15, 2017
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