Dear Bruno,
Thanks for your considered reply. It appears that what I am asking for coincides with C.P. Snow's Two Cultures dichotomy. So, it's actually a question of competence and because of my modest education, average intelligence, and limited memory, I perhaps prefer to rely wholly upon Sri Aurobindo's theory instead of searching for truth all by myself.
That said, I will certainly not deprive myself of all the benefits that science and technology brings in course of time.
Wishing you all the best and success in your professional field,
Tusar (b.1955)
June 7, 2017
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Dear Jim,
I can't understand what you have tried to communicate here. I'm familiar with Sri Aurobindo's philosophy and his terminologies. Beyond that it's all confusing for me. However, I would like to send out an appeal to all through you, as follows:
Dear members of Sadhu-Sanga,
Namaskar.
This forum has seen some intense debates over the nature of reality and dynamics of consciousness. The topic has been approached from the perspective of different streams of science as well as philosophy. Very advanced knowledge from each field has been marshalled by respective specialists to unlock the mystery. But mostly it has been agreed that we are much far away from any semblance of a solution. This should mean as a very sobering sentiment in the face of human finitude.
Although, Freud is generally credited with introducing a nebulous notion like subconscious into Science, Sri Aurobindo can be said to have offered the most detailed account of consciousness in the realm of speculative philosophy. His framework encompasses elements from diverse schools of theology, theosophy, philosophy, and science. Such a synthesis and integral scheme is unprecedented and has not been surpassed as yet.
I quite understand that such hyperbole would shock many of you as this forum has many staunch devotees of other philosophers and scientists. But, I would request you to examine my assertion with utmost scientific or logical rigour. I know, it's not possible since most of you are hard pressed for time; others lack inclination. So, what's the solution? An expert of Domain A can't give a dependable opinion unless he is reasonably aware of Domains B, C, D, Etc.
So, there are no shortcuts and my request to all of you is to invest some time on The Life Divine by Sri Aurobindo. While delineating the whole spectrum of consciousness, he is also emphatic that it's definitely knowable despite our human finitude. Further, his method of Integral Yoga unveils a volitional course of self-enlargement which, he insists, is the only means of fathoming the mystery of consciousness. This might appear arcane and esoteric but he provides an escape route from the web of numbers and mathematical equations.
Be that as it may, what Sri Aurobindo divulges in superb English prose needs to be chewed and digested. Many of his ideas have become quite common and are often spoken without giving him the due credit but many other concepts are still there which can lead the debates here to their logical as well as satisfactory conclusion. I'm resisting the temptation of citing one example or two with the hope that the members of this esteemed forum discover the joy, themselves, in Sri Aurobindo's own magical words.
Finally, there is no gainsaying that no one likes jargon but it's unavoidable in this forum. However, there is a need for standardising terminology for the purpose of scientific investigation of consciousness. Here, Sri Aurobindo's contribution forms an excellent anchor as well as point of departure. I don't think members can take any more.
Thanks,
Tusar Nath Mohapatra (b.1955)
Director, Savitri Era Learning Forum (SELF)
May 19, 2017
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Thanks,
Tusar
June 8, 2017
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Hi Jim,
It says that no theories of arithmetic can describe completely the arithmetical reality. It is very huge. The theories of arithmetic only scratch at the surface of the arithmetical reality. Assuming mechanism it means that the arithmetical reality is full of life and full of uncontrolable, unpredictible machines and gods.
Gödel's incompleteness invites us to distinguish carefully an arithmetical theory and the arithmetical reality. I would say, the logical consistency of an arithmetical *theory* can only arise from the source, the arithmetical reality itself.
I am not a philosopher, so I rarely defend the truth of any formula or theory. I will just say that your approach might be the correct one, but I am using a quite different approach which relies on much less assumptions. Note that my theory is experimentally refutable, and so can be interesting to you. If refuted, there will be at least evidence to believe in primary energy and things like (dark or not) matter.
Bruno
June 8, 2017
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Norm,
They are quite related, provably so in the frame of the mechanist hypothesis. Note that mechanism entails that both matter and soul are NOT mechanical. The machine already claims this, although, today, we need to study a bit of mathematical logic (and greek-indian philosophy to get the definition) to appreciate that fact.
Bruno
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